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A/C Recharging PDF Print E-mail

A/C Recharging

1. How do I know if I need to retrofit before recharging? (How do I know if I have an R12 system or R-134a?)
2. How do I find the low-side port?
3. If I put in refrigerant (top off), do I need to add oil too? If so, what type and how much?
4. How much refrigerant should I put in?
5. Do I need to vacuum out my system before charging?
6. What does Xycleen System Cleaner do and how does it work?
7. What's different about "High Mileage" refrigerant?
1. How do I know if I need to retrofit before recharging? (How do I know if I have an R12 system or R-134a?)

If your car is a 1994 or earlier model, you probably have an R-12 system and need to retrofit before recharging with R-134a. Check under the hood for a label indicating whether the system is R-12 or R-134a.
2. How do I find the low-side port?

The low-pressure port usually has a blue or black dust cap and is located on the larger diameter metal tubing that runs between the evaporator (in the dashboard) and the compressor. To locate the low-pressure port:

   1. Find the compressor.
   2. Find large diameter metal tubing that leads from the compressor back to the fire wall.
   3. Find port on this tube. Our quick-connect coupler should fit onto this port. To be sure, compare with the port on the other tube (smaller tube) that leads from the compressor to the condenser near the radiator. This port is larger and is the High Side port. Our quick-connect coupler will NOT fit on the High Side port.
   4. Do not attempt to connect to the high side port as this can cause a can of refrigerant to explode.
   5. Sometimes the low side port is on-or-near the compressor, sometimes it’s on an accumulator near the firewall…not on the large diameter metal tube.

Examples of Low-pressure (low-side) port locations
Buick LeSabre
Pontica Bonneville
Olds 88/Regency
Toyota Camry
Ford Taurus
Honda
Saturn
Mitsubishi Galant
VW Passat


3. If I put in refrigerant (top off), do I need to add oil too? If so, what type and how much?

Interdynamics’ top off products contain the proper ratio of replacement oil.
4. How much refrigerant should I put in?

We recommend using a pressure gauge for an accurate fill. Interdynamics' color-coded gauges will indicate whether you should continue filling (charging) or not. If you have just retrofitted from an R-12 system and had all the R-12 refrigerant removed, you should fill a system with R-134a at 80-85% of the original R-12 Volume. (Consult your owners manual or sticker under the hood for original R-12 volume).
5. Do I need to vacuum out my system before charging?

If the pressure gauge indicates that the A/C system pressure is lower than 10psi, air has likely entered your system, so your system should be vacuumed out.
6. What does Xycleen System Cleaner do and how does it work?

Xycleen removes sediment in the A/C system for smoother flow of refrigerant and oil and creates a cleaner, more efficient system (for better cooling). It continuously cleans, preventing the redeposit of previously removed sediment. [graph link]
7. What's different about "High Mileage" refrigerant?

Interdynamics’ “High Mileage” refrigerant contains a proprietary formulation of lubricant enhancers that helps your old compressor run easier. This will make the compressor last longer and run quieter.
It contains special anti-wear and lubricant additives to restore an older A/C systems performance.

 
A/C Evacuate & Recharge PDF Print E-mail

How to completely evacuate and recharge your A/C system. 

A thorough evacuation is necessary after servicing or replacing system components or when converting to Freeze 12, R134a, or any other refrigerant.  It simply shows the steps required to draw a vacuum on the system to remove moisture and other contaminants and charge the system with oil and the refrigerant of your choice.  The necessity of properly capturing any refrigerant already in the system must be noted.  You really should do yourself, the rest of us, and the environment a favor and have that stuff removed and recycled by someone with a lot more experience and the proper equipment.  Of course, if you have already had this done, you can skip over all the vacuum pump stuff and move on to the “just make it cold again” stuff.

The faq is also not intended to be complete “how to” for conversions although the evacuation and charge procedures will be the final steps in any conversion.  Only the connectors will be different.

The processes described here involve toxic chemicals under high pressures.  Please read the instructions that come with any equipment you purchase, rent, or borrow.  By all means, please be careful and enjoy a frosty beverage AFTER you have completed the work.

Two final things: Do not take this article as an advertisement for Freeze 12.  It is simply what I was using on the day the pictures were taken.  I used it as I have had success with it in the past and I didn’t want to replace anything more than the refrigerant and oil.  R134a is probably a better long-term solution and there are other refrigerants available as well.  Do your research and choose the one that best fits your needs.  I also am far from an expert on these things.  Please feel free to submit corrections and/or additions to this document.  I would like to see this grow to include the full conversion procedures and upgrades.

Stuff You Will Need
 
Manifold Gauges – A serviceable set can be purchased for less than $50.  Less if you purchase them used.  Not too bad when compared the what you would pay someone else to just top your system up and you can use them to diagnose problems with your A/C (refrigerator, etc.) later.

Vacuum Pump  - These things are fairly expensive.  Stand alone units start in the $250 range.  There are air driven ones available for about $50, but you need a compressor capable of delivering 80-100 psi continuously for over half an hour.  This burns up tons of electricity and is very noisy.  I was able to borrow the one pictured below.  You may be able to rent one.  

Small Thermometer – You may already have one of these in your kitchen.  Handy to have and they only cost a couple of bucks.  You will use this to measure the performance of the system when you complete the charging.
Refrigeration Oil, Refrigerant, and the connections required for dispensing them.  Freeze 12 is pictured, but the basic setup will be similar for R12 (good luck finding it!), R134a, and any other refrigerants.  Each refrigerant is required to have a unique fitting to prevent mixing different types.  The thing with the blue cap is a fitting to convert the standard R12 fitting to the Freeze 12 fitting.  Also make sure the type of oil you purchase is compatible with the refrigerant you are using.  Again, do your research!  

Haynes Automotive Heating & Air Conditioning Techbook – This is a great book.  It goes into much greater detail than I do here.  It also provides troubleshooting procedures. 
                                                                     Evacuating the System

I will assume you have replaced the part that got you to this point already and have checked all of the system plumbing for tightness.  The first thing to do is get the gauges connected.  Nothing tricky here.  You just have to identify the high pressure side and low pressure (suction) side of the system.  On the E12, the high pressure valve is on the receiver/dryer bottle and the low pressure valve on a line just below and forward of the receiver/dryer.  The blue hose from your manifold gauges goes on the low side.  The red one goes on the high side.  There is a yellow line coming from the gauges as well.  It is the service line.  It is the one you use to pull things out of or put things into the system.  The photo also shows a nice vacuum gauge I borrowed from the same guy I got the pump from.  It wasn’t needed.  The manifold gauges will tell you all you need to know.

I started this process by purging my system with compressed nitrogen.  This may not be practical unless you know someone with a cylinder.  If you do, it is a good idea.  It is inert and works as a good pressure test to check for leaks.  When cranked to 200 psi, you'll know if you have any leaks.  If you don’t have access to compressed nitrogen, don’t sweat it.  Deep vacuuming of the system will get all that nasty moisture out of the system anyway.

Connect the yellow line to the vacuum pump and ensure both the high and low side valves on the manifold gauges are closed.  Read the instructions for the vacuum pump before turning it on and make sure it has oil in it (doesn’t apply to the air driven venturi type).  The pump I used had very specific instructions for starting.  It required opening a valve on top of the pump, starting the pump, then closing the valve.

After starting the pump, open both the high and low side valves on the manifold gauges.  Verify the low side gauge indicates a vacuum (picture at left).  The low side gauge indicates both pressure (psi) and vacuum (in/hg).  If it does not go below zero, you have a sizeable leak and will need to correct it before you continue.  Assuming you are showing a vacuum, let the pump run for five minutes, close the high side valve, and turn the pump off.  Note the reading on the low side gauge.  Wait five or more minutes and then check the reading again.  Any decrease in indicated vacuum indicates a leak that still needs to be corrected.  If this happens, check the connections to the gauges and pump first.  Once you are satisfied there are no leaks, turn the pump back on, open the high side valve again and let the pump run for at least thirty minutes.

After the time has passed, close both the high and low side valves and turn off the vacuum pump following the shutdown procedure for the pump.  You can then disconnect the yellow line from the pump satisfied that you have removed all of the air and moisture from the system.

Adding Oil

Your compressor needs oil to function.  The oil used is carried through the system by the refrigerant and chances are you lost some while you were servicing things.  If you are doing the R134a conversion, you should remove the compressor and drain all of the existing mineral oil, as it is not compatible with R134a.  You should also replace the receiver/dryer.  Measure the amount of oil contained in each by pouring it into a suitable container.  I was replacing a damaged receiver/dryer so I just measured what was in it and purchased enough to replace it.  If you have the compressor or receiver dryer off, you can simply pour the oil into them before installation.  Small cans of the proper oil can be installed using the newly created vacuum to pull the oil into the system.

The car should not be running at this point.  Using the can tapping valve, connect the service line, opened the valve on the can and cracked the service line connection at the manifold until oil started to leak out to purge any air out of the service line.  Holding the oil can upside down (valve down), open the low side valve on the manifold gauge.  The vacuum will pull the oil into the system.  When you have determined the can is empty, close the low side valve and the valve on the can.  You should now be ready to charge the system.
Charging With Refrigerant

Start the car. Turn the A/C temperature control to its highest setting, and the fan to low.  Allow the car to idle like this for about five minutes to settle the pressures and temperatures in the system.  During this time, connect a can of refrigerant to the can tapping valve and connect it to the service line on the manifold gauges.  After the system has stabilized, turn the A/C fan to high.  Open the valve on the refrigerant can and purge the line like you did with the oil.  Now open the low side valve on the manifold gauges.  I usually put the refrigerant in as a liquid.  Invert the refrigerant can to do this (valve down).  When doing this NEVER OPEN THE HIGH SIDE VALVE.  The system is not capable of compressing the liquid.  When the can is empty, shut off the low side valve, shut off the can valve, and remove the can from the valve.  Repeat with the next can as necessary.  It will probably take two or three cans (depending on the refrigerant you use) to fill the system.  You can consult the Haynes manual to learn how to use the gauges to determine when the system is full or just use the sight glass on the receiver/dryer.  The sight glass is very easy to use: keep adding refrigerant until you stop seeing bubbles in the sight glass. (Note: if charging with R134a and stock condensor, you may not be able to get a full sight glass before you've reached the high limit of condensing pressure. A good rule of thumb with R134a is to run fan on High with all windows open and engine at 1500 rpm. High side pressure in PSI should be about 2.2 to 2.5 times outside air temperature in degrees F. Example if it's 90 degrees F, high side should be no higher than 225PSI. - Peter Florance)

 
A/C Compressor Cores PDF Print E-mail

A/C COMPRESSOR CORES

Remanufactured Compressors carry no core charges so you don't have to worry about an additional fee.

Most Places Charge a core charge that is added to the compressor purchase price at time of checkout. To save you time and money we don't do that here. We may ask that you send back your old unit - but we'll pay for the shipping.

What Is A Core?:

A used compressor does not qualify as a core unless it can be remanufactured. The used compressor must meet the following requirements to be considered a rebuildable core:


1. The compressor must not be damaged. It must be the identical model of the purchased compressor. It must have all it's ears and/or mounting pads intact. It must have no broken bolts or studs and no stripped (threaded) holes.
2. The clutch hub, pulley and coil must not be damaged and must be mounted on the compressor as it was intended. The coil pin on the front head must be intact. The clutch must not be burned and the pulley must rotate smoothly.
3. The drive shaft must turn smoothly at least three (3) full revolutions in one direction and must have suction and discharge pressure present.
4. The core must be drained of all lubricant and have all of its openings sealed.
5. The core must be returned in a sturdy box and received within 15 days from receipt of the purchased compressor. Please make sure the core is packaged securely as to avoid any shipping damages.
6. The box must contain a copy of the original invoice for the purchased compressor.
7. The purchaser is responsible for all costs to return the core.
8. The compressor has not been altered or taken apart.
9. No damage or cracks to the exterior case, mounting ears, service valves or bosses.
10. Some Suction and Discharge pressure must be felt. No sootiness or debris is evident in the discharge port.
11. The complete clutch assembly must be attached and not bent, burnt or seized.
12. All wires must be attached and uncut.

Maintenance Tips / Suggestions: Symptoms of a bad compressor or compressor clutch include poor or no cooling, and a noisy or seized compressor. Have your vehicle?s air conditioning system checked yearly by a professional technician. The A/C system also operates when the climate control system is in the defroster mode to remove moisture from the interior, so A/C is more than a summertime creature comfort. Operating an A/C system low on refrigerant not only results in poor cooling, it can also damage the system due to poor lubrication flow. Make sure that the technician servicing your car uses the correct refrigerant and refrigerant oil. Use of the wrong refrigerant or oil can reduce system performance or even cause damage.

 
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